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GreatOdensRaven
04:06 PM

In reply to Steven Tyler Breaks Up with Aerosmith via Blog Posts
Somewhere, Tim Collins is smiling. #aerosmith
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resipsaloquacious
02:57 PM

In reply to San Francisco Braces for Gen. Tom Cruise to Move In (And Perhaps Lead Scientology Offensive)
Why on earth would Tom Cruise be interested in moving to SF? I mean, economically, geographically or culturally . . . what of SF could possibly be of interest to Mr. Cruise?

I just don't see it. #tomcruise
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ms_priestypants
02:52 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
I was particularly proud of Peggy in this episode. She's gone from carrying a baby to term without even realizing it to upwardly mobile career girl. And yay for the return of Joan! #madmen
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Products Will Save Me
02:40 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
My favorite exchange of the night was in the elevator between Pete and Harry.

Pete: I have to admit I'm a little scared... #madmen
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naugahydeinplainsight
02:31 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
What did anyone else make of Don's little speech about everything -- includng selling -- being different after Dallas? I wonder how will it change his approach to advertising? Any advertising scholars out there know whether there really was a change in approach, or -- just like 9/11 didn't really mean The End of Irony -- was there no lasting effect? #madmen
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Botswana Meat Commission FC
02:22 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
I know all you Gay Socialists wanted Sal back, but Don kicking the art department door in was gangster. Loved it. #madmen
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naugahydeinplainsight
02:10 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
Oddly, I got this real strong family vibe from the closing scenes in the hotel room, and it makes me think the whole damn season has come down to Don trying to find a family where he belongs. (I'm sure others have gotten there before me, but hey . . .)
He has failed so often -- sometimes its been his fault, other times not -- that with his home life going down the tubes, he was willing to make amends and eat substantial crow to gather his new loved ones around him.
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Brian Moylan
02:56 PM

@naugahydeinplainsight: I think you're exactly right. Don can never get his personal life to work, but his professional life has finally become his personal life. It's triumphant and a little bit sad at the same time. #madmen
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crookedE
04:03 PM

@naugahydeinplainsight: my exact thought too. When Don came out of the bedroom after talking to Betty on the phone and saw his coworkers all crammed into the hotel room working away, you could see his relief at not being alone and a little bit of hope for the future. Great episode. Also, I don't remember Mad Men ever making me cry before, but the divorce scene with the kids just killed me. #madmen
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nicepony
01:57 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
Next season could start almost a year in the future...as they pointed out it was December 1963......so they could jump ahead almost to 65 where styles etc are starting to change...and the Drapers, well into divorce. Should be fun. #madmen
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Z und Vielpunkt's chick
01:50 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
I hope the new firm hires Sal back next season! #madmen
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AlmostDream
02:05 PM

@Z und Vielpunkt's chick: I don't know if it's been brought up here, but they took Lucky Strike with them, so Sal can't come back, at least not to the new agency. #madmen
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Products Will Save Me
02:09 PM

@Z und Vielpunkt's chick: They'll have to get rid of Lucky Strike first. Believe me, I thought of this the second they decided to bust into the art dept. #madmen
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registered
02:13 PM

@Products Will Save Me: It's 2/3 of their billings; they can't lose that acct. So Matt is just going to have to kill off Lee Garner Jr (the guy who made the unwanted advances to Sal and then had him fired), or no Sal. #madmen
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Z und Vielpunkt's chick
02:30 PM

@AlmostDream: That does destroy the dream. But I have to admit that I didn't know that because I haven't watched the episode yet. I'm cheating by reading this post. Yes, I also used to snoop in my parents' closets for my Christmas presents. #madmen
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Lizawithazee
03:09 PM

@registered: Maybe Bert or Roger will use his newfound balls to tell Lee Garner, Jr. if he wants the best work, Sal's the man to be on the account. Would make for a nice storyline in the season opener, no? #madmen
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Spirit Fingers
01:49 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
Loved, loved it. Not as shocking as last season but nicely woven and poignantly put together.

Best line for me: "Peter can I see you for a minute?" That chick is badass. Wouldn't have guessed that doing the Charleston at Roger's wedding would be foreshadowing of Trudy and Pete's teamwork. And damn it, if Pete hasn't really been the most progressive this season. Don nailed it on the head when he complimented Pete's foresight.

Yay Joan! Genius reentering of our favorite office gal. Was dismayed a little when they didn't elevate her role a bit for the forthcoming firm. Or maybe she just revels in running the show from behind the scenes so to speak.

Don and Betty...sigh. Knew it was coming, but damn, didn't expect Betty to be swayed so easily. She really is just a large child, and doesn't Carla have her own family to care for?! Blech!

Nice end scene with the new firm participants cramped in a small room with excited anticipation on their faces. An ending to one chapter and a start of another for all. Maybe we'll see Cooper be a Mad Man for once. Can't wait. #madmen
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Conchie Birdie
02:07 PM

@Spirit Fingers: Betty has been this character that I've wanted so desperately to feel for... now I just couldn't fathom it - leaving the kids behind (except the baby) was absolutely terrible. Poor kids (and Carla).

Trudy is turning into quite the powerful one, but it makes sense, when you look at how Pete's shrewdness can often become unhinged and too all-over-the-place to do any good for him.
#madmen
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randomnessish
01:49 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
Mad Men All-Stars. My thoughts exactly.

Also, who else was excited that they poached off Harry Crane?? He is my favorite most under-appreciated character on the show...although, I love it how they always make a point to show how he "basically created" the Media Department, on his own. And Paul Kinsey's face when he see's he's been left behind by his would-be mentor Don in favor of Peter and *gasp* Peggy...priceless. What a badass episode, to be sure.

And who else is hoping that they save poor Salvatore from propositioning strangers in Central Park in Season 5? They still need artists, you know...maybe when the SCDP earns more rupees.
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scouts honor
01:51 PM

@randomnessish: I don't know how they're going to do that, though. The guy who asked to fire Sal is the Lucky Strike guy that is the new firm's biggest account. #madmen
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pureblarney
01:54 PM

@randomnessish: I'm going to miss Paul. He was groovy. #madmen
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Z und Vielpunkt's chick
01:58 PM

@scouts honor: Maybe Sal and Lucky Strike guy make up . . . in Central Park.

It is an interesting move to slim down the cast like that. Was there some contract dispute that wasn't publicized? #madmen
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naugahydeinplainsight
01:58 PM

@scouts honor: Ouch. That makes me very sad. #madmen
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DahlELama
02:05 PM

@Z und Vielpunkt's chick: I'm assuming that the cast wasn't really slimmed down. This might be naive of me, of course, but I have to assume that either A) they'll poach more of the old Sterling Cooper gang once business grows, or B) we'll see them in scenes of competition or similar scenarios between SCD&P and McCann, like how Duck's been back a bunch of times. #madmen
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naugahydeinplainsight
02:16 PM

@DahlELama: I can't see the cast staying that small, but I seem to recall some disputes between Weiner and AMC over per-episode costs. Smaller cast means smaller budget . . . . #madmen
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registered
02:17 PM

@pureblarney: You mean, like when he was jerking off in his office or talking down to the janitor? I've never liked the character. Remember when he had the black GF just to prove how liberal he was? #madmen
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DahlELama
02:19 PM

@naugahydeinplainsight: Ah, sad. Maybe it's a Scrubs-like situation: everyone stays in the cast, they're just not in every episode. I would hate to think that Ken and Kinsey would just completely disappear, even if all my favorites are still with us. #madmen
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registered
02:21 PM

@DahlELama: DahlE, You are many things. Naive isn't one of them. I this as an opportunity to get rid of some characters that never really held my interest (Paul, Ken, Don's secretary) and introduce new ones next season.

I also hope that annoying Betty moves to Albany with Henry and gets no further face time. (I can dream, can't I?) #madmen
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Z und Vielpunkt's chick
02:27 PM

@registered: I beg to differ! I have a big ol crush on Betty. Is that weird? #madmen
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pureblarney
02:37 PM

@registered: Who cares if he shot one off in his office? That wasn't what I was talking about. And from what I understand, he went down to Alabama to march with that girlfriend, which gives him a +1 in my books. He wasn't kosher all the way around, but neither is anybody in this show. I just liked his style. And he's certainly less of a boyscout than Harry. #madmen
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registered
03:03 PM

@pureblarney: So let's agree to disagree. Cool. #madmen
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randomnessish
03:07 PM

@scouts honor: Are you sure? I didn't know if Lucky Strike stayed or not...I guess they did, since Roger brought them in. Aww, no! Seeing the gang all together again made me hope for Salvatore to make a glorious return, riding a unicorn on a brilliant rainbow...one can only hope. #madmen
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randomnessish
03:11 PM

@registered: Ugh, one can only hope. I'm sorry, Betty's all pretty and sad and everyone loves a conflicted housewife, but January Jones is just so...clumsy and wooden. The breakdown that I was waiting for to bring my interest back never came...it's like the series was building up for some Sylvia Plath type biz, but instead we just get to see Betty hanging on. I want to see Betty get interesting, god dammit!! #madmen
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TheBusinessGuy
01:49 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
So well done. Such emotional delicacy, graceful writing, and so many nuanced performances. This was Don's Day of Atonement, and Hamm pulled it off without hyperbole. I must say I love the way Fred Crane always looks as if he showed up at school when there's a surprise quiz, and he just shit his pants. Something that has been nagging at me: in the real world, didn't the conglomeratization of ad agencies take place several weeks later, and isn't it too soon (again, in real world terms) for these guys to set up a boutique shop? Any ad guys out there know? #madmen
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NigelAstydameia
03:14 PM

@TheBusinessGuy: Yes, too early, which is why Joan warned them that no client should ever come to the suite or even the hotel bar. They need the illusion of size, and it will be interesting to see how they pull it off and how soon they can afford office space impressive enough to invite a client to. Lots of expensive lunches in the near future--see you at 21!
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TheBusinessGuy
03:23 PM

@TheBusinessGuy: Make that Harry Crane. #madmen
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pureblarney
01:45 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
Last night--is it just me, or is there something a little bit strange and mannered in Vincent Kartheiser's performance? For a while I've been chalking it up to Pete's UES-ness, but I'm not sure.

In that scene with Peggy and Don, I couldn't tell whether he was going to offer her a job, or profess his love and make out with her. It was... pretty awesome.

Thank you for crowning Joanie "St. Joan," Brian. It's one of the many reasons I love you. #madmen
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Lymed
01:52 PM

@pureblarney: What you see as mannered in Kartheiser I actually think is Pete Campbell being a poor actor. He is constantly acting in life, trying so hard to fit in even if it means not being himself. #madmen
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pureblarney
01:55 PM

@Lymed: Yeah, I see that, too. Maybe Don is just better at it. #madmen
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HaysiFantayzee
01:56 PM

@Lymed: And isn't it brilliant how Kartheiser makes you root for Campbell. You know that he got shafted about his assessment of the "negro market" and he deserved some praise, even though he is a sexual predator and all-around creepo. #madmen
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Lymed
01:59 PM

@pureblarney: Don lives a lie, but he doesn't necessarily act. His personality is him. Pete tries to take on the personality he thinks will get him accepted. He is also just awkward with people. #madmen
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DahlELama
02:08 PM

@pureblarney: I've always had a problem with Vincent Kartheiser's performance. The way he delivers his lines always makes me feel like he thinks he's on stage. People constantly tell me that this is just "Pete Campbell's personality," but it seems to me like forced acceptance of bad acting from an actor you want to like. But hey, if it works for most people, he's obviously doing something right. #madmen
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pureblarney
02:32 PM

@DahlELama: What I've heard about his off-camera "preparation" hasn't impressed me, either. Usually, the more esoteric an actor has to be to get ready, the less impressed I am by the performance (and having worked with actors, I've seen some weird shit).

Oh well. The least we can do is sit back and hope for a Peggy tryst. #madmen
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registered
03:08 PM

@HaysiFantayzee: I agree. Kartheiser is playing one of the biggest villains on this show, and yet some part of me roots for him. He'd be easy to hate yet some insecure part of my psyche (my brain, perhaps, adrift) said Yessss! when Don recruited him for the new firm. #madmen
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TheBusinessGuy
03:27 PM

@registered: Pete is a sniveling, whiny child of privilege who is blessed with brains and insight--insight about everything but himself. That makes him funny, pathetic, tragic, and dangerous. #madmen
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DahlELama
01:44 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
Excellent post as always, Mr. Moylan. I sincerely appreciated "Henry Francis—who barely knows you but wants to marry you!!" because this drives me insane. I love As The World Turns, but I prefer to leave that sort of thing to weekday afternoons.

Also, the Peggy and Don scene was utterly fantastic. The power and self-awareness that woman has drawn into herself over three seasons is inspiring to watch. #madmen
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son of spam
01:49 PM

@DahlELama: I really dislike Henry. He's such a creepy pussy. When he was sitting next to Betty on the plane, he looked older than Bert. #madmen
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Lymed
01:54 PM

@DahlELama: Do we know that Henry Francis wants to marry her? Or did he tell her that so she would get a divorce and he could be with her with no fear of scandal. #madmen
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DahlELama
01:55 PM

@son of spam: Right? I can't quite understand how we're supposed to feel about him. Should we find him attractive or alluring? Are we supposed to understand what draws Betty to him, other than that he's a replacement father figure for the one she lost? Does she realize he's old enough to be her father? I can never tell how much credit we're supposed to give Betty... #madmen
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DahlELama
02:10 PM

@Lymed: My assumption is that he genuinely wants to marry her, especially after he convinced her not to go for any of Don's money last night. It would certainly not be in his interest to have a completely broke girlfriend to support, and if he were planning on making it anything less than permanent, I have to think he would have advised her to take Don for everything he's got so he could eventually dump her guilt free. I believe that he believes he's in it forever. What I can't understand is why? #madmen
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registered
02:43 PM

@DahlELama: I've no idea how wealthy HF is, but men don't generally undertake enthusiastically to support a woman and her children by another man when there are other options.

I've come to the conclusion that Betty Draper captured his heart much the way January Jones landed this role: by looking the part. I can't believe JJ was cast for a pivotal role in this series w/o someone waking up to the fact that she cannot act. She can't even pull off a crying jag, which leads me to suspect that she is possibly not even female.

Similarly, I can't believe that HF proposed to BD without having had sex w/her or observed her with her children. If Roger Sterling is disillusioned with his child-bride, one only wonders how HF will feel in two years.

Well, actually, I don't. Neither is interesting and I hope they both bug off to Albany. #madmen
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DahlELama
02:49 PM

@registered: I'm still having trouble making up my mind about January Jones. I don't think she's supposed to go off on a crying drag. I think she's supposed to have a cold, stony expression on her face at all times. I think. But I'm not sure. It's kind of how I feel about Ashlee Simpson-Wentz on Melrose, or, as someone aptly pointed out to me recently, Mischa Barton on The OC. Sometimes people are successful on a show because their "neutral" is exactly what the character is supposed to be like. I suspect JJ/BD is a similar case.

Either way, I'm very curious to see how she performs on SNL this weekend. I'm hoping it'll give me more insight into how much she's really acting on the show and what she's like when she's not--if she's ever not--Betty Draper. #madmen
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mfnher
03:04 PM

@DahlELama: Agreed. I'm just not able to write her off. Part of that is, I heard Weiner is crazy about casting. I cannot imagine him hiring anyone that isn't giving him exactly what he wants. I can't wait to see her on SNL, just so she can prove everyone wrong. In addition, I would absolutely love further evidence that Ashton Kutcher is an asshole that has no clue what he's talking about. #madmen
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registered
03:20 PM

@DahlELama: I had that exact impression until last week's episode - that she had been told to maintain the Ice Princess image at all costs and was not to blame for her unemotional performance.

But then JFK gets assassinated and she has to do a crying scene, and she can't. In this episode, where she tells her husband that she wants a divorce, (eventually) gets his consent, breaks the news to her children, - all heart-breaking things, she has to use her manicured fingernails to hide her eyes and the fact that she cannot emote.

I wasn't looking for a telenovela here, but ya know, some emotion was called for.

Also, since I watch this on iTunes, I got the 5-minute freebie after the finale when the actors discuss what happened to their characters. She was mono-tonal; either seriously in character or just boring.

I'll take a look at SNL and see if it changes my opinion. Thanks for the tip. #madmen
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SeeingI
01:43 PM

In reply to Mad Men: The Night of Don's Reckoning
"For the answer to these questions and more, tune in next time to Mad Men, brought to you by Canada Dry Ginger Ale. And Clorox...." #madmen
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